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A woman I work with got word from her husband today that his ship is being sent to Venezuala for 60 days because the Chinese are "starting to throw their weight around down there."  He didn't give her any other information or specifics - I don't think he knows anything else at this point.  I did a google search for recent info & came up empty.  I did find a diary by Georgia10 from Dec. 26th -  http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/12/26/115228/07
which had a reply from Spiderleaf where a reference was made to the relationship between these 2 countries - "And finally, China is actively interested in securing oil from Venezuala and Chavez was in China in October for meetings to discuss how to do so."  This makes it sound like a friendly alliance.  Are we going just to protect our own interests or is trouble brewing?

Originally posted to 1040SU on Fri Jan 07, 2005 at 03:52 PM PST.

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  •  Back up (none)
    What ship is being sent to Venezuela and what does the woman's husband do?  

    Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?

    by johnny rotten on Fri Jan 07, 2005 at 03:33:59 PM PST

    •  He's in the Navy (none)
      He's in Virginia right now - she said his ship is an amphibious (?) something or other - I'm sorry -I don't have good info.  I know she was worried & asking if I'd heard/read anything on recent activities there.  I kinda thought maybe we just wanted to flex a little muscle - enough to let them know we're aware & watching?
  •  The Chinese, who likely will ... (none)
    ...be consuming as much oil as the U.S. within 10-15 years (right now, that's in the neighborhood of 20-21 million barrels a day, 25% of worldwide production) are eager to make themselves felt in that arena, as witness their bid to buy Unocal's Asian properties.

    We don't inherit the Earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. - David Brower

    by Meteor Blades on Fri Jan 07, 2005 at 03:37:00 PM PST

  •  China is spending its export $$$ (none)
    Last few weeks there were many posts on Chinese investments. I'll catch the most important ones and post them here.

    Bush foreign policy stage of infancy

    Bush best compared with an amateur, analyzing 2-3 sets ahead on world chess playing level, being surprised by the defensive and counteraction of the opposition. One of Bush's many personality flaws is he assumes that every move of his, is by definition legitimate. Or else he gets some croony in his administration to declare as such. No criticism or rebuttal expected.

    Putin went out of his way to endorse GWB for reelection. Reason is simply that Bush is so single-minded - staying the course - predictable. Bush's certitude is "I am the Force others must heed".

    Bush selection of cabinet members for 2nd term only enforces this approach. Now that there is no next term, I like to know the role of Rove on agenda, approach and priorities, will his influence decrease.

    China & Russia are joining forces on Russian oil and gas exploration with assets of Yukos. China is investing heavily in Argentina, Venezuela, Cuba and Iran.  On Hi-tech development and space projects both have joined the EU with some prestige projects. Russia of course, was recently the major partner to join the world community on Kyoto.

    So while Bush&Co are  preoccupied with their own petty NeoCon projects, the world turns and the US misses the economic opportunities and major alliances.

    Calimero h'got the most nukes but they keep beating up on him

  •  Excellent diary by Soj (none)
    .
    Chinese Sunburn   by Soj  
    Sat Dec 11th, 2004 at 08:31:04 EST

    In 2005 - Be Liberal, Be Free Especially Amongst Family And Friends

  •  OIL developments China and Russia (none)
    China signed some large contracts a few months back with Iran for delivery of LNG.

    Russia GAZPROM & YUKOS - winners & losers
    Russia GAZPROM & YUKOS - winners & losers  
    China invests in new consortium

    Yukos assets to Gazprom and China's CNPC?
    Yukos assets to Gazprom and China's CNPC?

    Pentagon warns EU on sale of arms to China
    Pentagon warns EU on sale of arms to China

    China rules on religion 'relaxed'
    China rules on religion 'relaxed'

    In 2005 - Be Liberal, Be Free Especially Amongst Family And Friends

    •  20% Yuganskneftegaz Shares to China's CNPC (none)
      .
      Russia Set to Sell Yuganskneftegaz
      Shares to China's CNPC

      The Russian Energy Ministry has said it plans to sell as much as 20 percent of Yuganskneftegaz, Yukos' chief asset auctioned off in a forced sale earlier this month, to the Chinese National Petroleum Corporation.

      Russia's Lukoil to Deliver 3 Million Tons of Oil to China by Rail in 2005.

      Deutsche Bank Asks Houston Court to Dismiss Yukos Bankruptcy Case.

      Be Liberal, Be Free Especially Amongst Family And Friends

  •  China JV to manage 12 Venezuelan oil fields (none)
    The story is on Bloomberg now.

    I wouldn't have thought that a commercial arrangement freely entered into by two sovereign states as meeting their mutual best interests was the basis for a US invasion, but with Bushco you never can tell . . .

    "Americans can always be counted on to do the right thing - after they have exhausted all other possibilities." Winston Churchill

    by LondonYank on Fri Jan 07, 2005 at 04:47:15 PM PST

  •  Bush Doctrine May Be Obviating the Monroe Doctrine (none)
    As a thought experiment, it seems not unreasonable to expect growing attempts at influence by China (and the EC) in this hemisphere over the next period of time.

    They're gaining strength at every level -- military, economic -- and we're squandering it.  Think of a world in 2010 where we're still 150,000-strong in Iraq (or Iran/Syria/etc./some combination of other).

    In such a world, what exactly would/could we do about incursions on the Monroe Doctrine by a country that owns a significant part of our national debt with a defense force tied don in the Middle East?

    I don't know anything about this particular question, but the broader one is worth thought.

  •  Surprise, surprise. (none)
    Our Wise and Fearless Leader got the country into the proverbial bear trap - both legs.  The Chinese are simply capitalizing on an obvious opportunity to advance their interestests in the middle east and latin america.
  •  Oil protection. And, doesn't the US try (none)
    periodically to stage a coup in Venezuela? I bet that gets tiresome for the people down there. With China emerging as a world power, the down trodden will delight in telling the US to go pound sand.

    Howard Dean or I go Green!

    by davidwparker on Fri Jan 07, 2005 at 06:30:28 PM PST

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